together.jolla.com - Individual question feed

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Comment by sausset

September 11, 2018, 10:14 am

We also learn in the article (if the google translation is not misleading) that licence fees are 3$ for each handset sold with sailfish in Russia.

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Great if that can somehow be maintained, under pressure effectively from the Russain government, it may prove difficult to run the development of two branches of the OS keeping the integrity of one if...

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Comment by Raymaen

September 11, 2018, 9:22 am

the text in the article is all about the Sailfish OS RUS version, that is ment to be the OS of governmental institutions in Russia. Sailfish OS as such has nothing to do with the RUS - version. It is...

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Comment by mr_xperia

September 11, 2018, 9:17 am

After just moving over and being happy with my SailfishX, feeling a strange free feeling after years of Android I definitely now feel like I'm out of the frying pan into the fire! What percentage...

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Comment by Raymaen

September 11, 2018, 9:12 am

only googletranslator or similar.

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Comment by mr_xperia

September 11, 2018, 9:07 am

Any native translation of the above?

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Answer by Raymaen for Rostelecom acquiring Votron, the majority owner in Jolla

September 11, 2018, 8:52 am

Here is an interesting visual grafic who belongs to whom. Interesting to read the article! https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3733374 ![image...

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Answer by steils for Rostelecom acquiring Votron, the majority owner in Jolla

March 2, 2018, 11:47 am

Update: « Rostelecom cleared to acquire Sailfish developers Russian federal competition watchdog FAS has cleared the acquisition by national operator Rostelecom of 75 percent stakes in Open Mobile...

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Comment by Ta_das

February 9, 2018, 11:25 am

It was strange for me as well. I am not familiar with finacial/investment terms so I looked a bit. It appears that (in Russia only?) shareholder owning major stake is a shareholder having >5% of...

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Answer by richie for Rostelecom acquiring Votron, the majority owner in Jolla

February 9, 2018, 6:57 am

Isn't it surprising Votron are majority shareholders of Jolla if they only have a 9.72% share of Jolla? Wonder if story lost in translation. Or perhaps Russian licence partners and owners are one and...

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Comment by Kea

February 15, 2018, 3:01 am

It's all about money. Europe does not have the ultra-capitalistic system that the US has, so Europe has less billionaires than the US who can invest ( and less poor people too). Yes, data is the gold...

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Comment by h.berd

February 10, 2018, 8:15 am

Thats because the Europeans don't get it till today: data is the gold of the 21. century and you have to invest a lot, to let the users give you there most private data 'for free'. EU can moan about...

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Answer by Kea for Rostelecom acquiring Votron, the majority owner in Jolla

February 8, 2018, 8:30 am

Such a pity that Jolla could not get European funds. That would have been better for independency. I am afraid that Jolla Sailfish in the future will going 'to speak with the mouth of the one who gives...

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Comment by deloptes

August 13, 2018, 12:45 am

And don't forget: If you want peace, prepare for war!

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Comment by Kea

August 10, 2018, 5:54 am

Freedom is certainly not that you are be able to do what you want. That is an absurd idea and the examples mentioned above are quite childish. My freedom ends where your freedom begins. So our freedom...

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Answer by Ta_das for Rostelecom acquiring Votron, the majority owner in Jolla

February 7, 2018, 10:34 pm

Here it says Votron owns 9.72% of Jolla shares. As far as I understand Open Mobile Platform completely owns *Sailfish Mobile OS RUS*....

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Comment by Giacomo Di Giacomo

February 8, 2018, 12:27 am

It does not work like this. If you have 60% of a company you control it. If the company you control has 75% of another, you control both of them.

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Answer by richie for Rostelecom acquiring Votron, the majority owner in Jolla

February 7, 2018, 12:28 pm

Interesting. It says 75% of OMP and Votron, but what percentage do these Russian organisations own of Jolla? Does it follow if Votron owns say 60% of Jolla, that if Rostelecom buy 75% of OMP/ Votron,...

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Answer by zash1958 for Rostelecom acquiring Votron, the majority owner in Jolla

February 7, 2018, 9:53 am

We have to wait and see what happens. I do not think Rostelecom buys Jolla to close it afterwards. And in reality nothing big has happened. Jolla was sold a long time ago in their sutuation of having...

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Answer by tortoisedoc for Rostelecom acquiring Votron, the majority owner in...

February 7, 2018, 9:40 am

I'd be more worried of this continuous hand-passing of jolla. Add that to the slow reaction of jolla, and the longer than usual silences, and you get a good picture of what the situation must be like...

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Comment by lumen

September 11, 2018, 12:04 pm

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Comment by zash1958

August 10, 2018, 11:17 am

So far all looks OK at Jolla and they are looking for hiring new programmers now. There is an call for this opened in social media ATM. What clarification do You need furthermore?

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Comment by Kea

August 10, 2018, 6:24 am

I like the OS and I do not know other persons who use a Sailfish phone as default device, so calm down. But I have some doubts about this financial development. And also about the lack of clarity....

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Comment by deloptes

May 4, 2018, 3:34 pm

@Kea, I am personally fed up from left moralists and I used to be left 15y ago. Keep your opinion and/or judgment for yourself. There are perhaps equally many people who think the opposite and they...

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Comment by zash1958

February 8, 2018, 11:37 pm

I would not drive the discussion too much to political. But I am in Russia very very often and my stepson works as an juris/advocate there. OFFICIAL the western european rules for privacy and security...

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Comment by Kea

February 8, 2018, 10:35 am

Yes, I think Europe has better laws and a more democratic political system than Russia. Indeed, it is, as bocephus says, an ongoing battle to keep these democracies and human rights alive. I still have...

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Comment by zash1958

February 7, 2018, 11:31 pm

@prometheos: Thanks a lot for your clarification!

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Comment by prometheos de+it

February 7, 2018, 3:39 pm

@bocephus in this forum we should try to restrain from politics/bashing, simply because we do not want it to become like the marketplace its is elsewere in the net. On the other side, basic facts...

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Comment by zash1958

February 7, 2018, 8:47 am

You think that ANY other european country dos this better...... a big llaughter will be needed. The talking about Gstapo and Stasi is all hooribly shit. The true robbers of our freedom are sitting in...

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Comment by bocephus

February 7, 2018, 7:20 am

Ah yes, good ole Germany, where the legacy of Gestapo and Stasi lives on to this day! Germany is the worst of the EU countries when it comes to free speech, individual liberty and personal integrity,...

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Answer by zash1958 for Rostelecom acquiring Votron, the majority owner in Jolla

February 7, 2018, 4:26 am

You think Europe has better laws for privacy and security? There will be a g r e a t laughter about that. ALL informations and data about everything in Europe is listened and stored. In Germany ALL...

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Comment by h.berd

February 10, 2018, 8:01 am

it has to be completely OSS to be safe. It's the only way to have trust in security and a long and prosper future. At least I would be more concerned, if a big US company would be the owner of jolla......

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Comment by Stefanix

February 7, 2018, 8:57 am

I did not know that Jolla is Russian-owned. It's kind of a joke that the OS which we hope will be free from back doors and data collection agents is Russian controlled, the country of suppression and...

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Answer by Pim for Rostelecom acquiring Votron, the majority owner in Jolla

February 7, 2018, 4:16 am

As long as the Jolla developers, or at least the ones that assemble and release new versions of Sailfish, are based in Finland / Europe, and thus subject to European law and supervision, I'm not...

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Comment by zash1958

March 22, 2018, 9:35 am

This is a BIG shame for the EU. They have no plan, no intention for doing some such and be independent. if we here want to beat someone we have to beat our representives for letting us being spied and...

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Comment by mdidaryan

March 22, 2018, 9:30 am

Yes. It's crucial to have an alternative to google and apple. There's no good from a dead and abandoned OS. Let's hope SFOS will be a good alternative.

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Comment by zash1958

March 22, 2018, 9:24 am

Yeah, can be good or not! But the alternatives for Jolla are: No partner, no business and all closed long ago Russia does what the EU should have done long ago: Develop and maintain its own and...

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Comment by mdidaryan

March 22, 2018, 9:22 am

@zash1985 I like SFOS mainly because of it's being US independent platform and because of the fact that developers behind SFOS still have power to make decisions instead of business people. Selling...

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Comment by zash1958

March 22, 2018, 9:20 am

Maybe ... english is not our mother language ... I have completely misunderstood what You have written ;-) We like SFOS and have a big respect for countries like Armenia & Russia Last time we made...

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Comment by mdidaryan

March 22, 2018, 8:45 am

@zash1985 I never said SFOS or Russia is bad. I know what are the alternative and chose SFOS. Like your wife I haven't face any problem either. You completely changed what I was telling :)

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Comment by zash1958

March 22, 2018, 7:45 am

If you think, SFOS and Russia is bad ---> throw it away and user other products. You have the freedom to do so and use/buy ANY other product You want. There are lots of alternative like Ubuntu...

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Comment by mdidaryan

March 22, 2018, 5:13 am

@zash1958 "Freedom to speak against a wall" brilliant. However living in a country very similar to Russia I can assure you that being "Strafed" for barbecue party and being imprisoned for years because...

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Comment by zash1958

February 15, 2018, 8:01 am

No, it is not. Personal freedom is also the freedom to do what You want. And not only to express Yourt political thoughts. Amnesty is on one side blind for things: - You live in germany, without TV and...

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Comment by Kea

February 15, 2018, 3:05 am

Are you kidding? "The personal freedom in Russia is at least as great as in other european countries in Russia." I am an active member of Amnesty International for about 40 years and therefore I know...

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Comment by zash1958

February 9, 2018, 5:52 am

The russian laws and other issues are not as a lot of people here think. As stated above, my stepson is working as an advocate/Jurist there and we often discuss what happens (and not happens) in...

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Comment by ghling

February 9, 2018, 2:29 am

Being independent from US companies surely is a good thing to avoid their mass surveillance. But doing this by joining the russian side clearly is not, it's like replacing pest with cholera. Russia has...

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Answer by zash1958 for Rostelecom acquiring Votron, the majority owner in Jolla

February 7, 2018, 3:57 am

I see this as a very good news. Russia nowadays makes LOTS of efforts to establish its own IT and Telecom infrastructure. And they als try hard to switch all official Computers to opensource. And they...

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Comment by ossi1967

February 7, 2018, 12:33 am

Mhm... Is this good news or bad news? Good news would be something like: A big company sees a lot of potential in SailfishOS, believes in its future and therefore wants to bring it under their control...

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Comment by cemoi71

September 12, 2018, 11:05 am

worse would be to acquire the team or code expect to have an easier implant control tool, spyware or i don't know what...

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Rostelecom acquiring Votron, the majority owner in Jolla

February 6, 2018, 10:22 am

Russian national operator Rostelecom has submitted to the federal competition watchdog an application for clearance of the acquisition of 75 percent in the companies Open Mobile Platform and Votron,...

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